Black Mirror Scrying Tips


(I choose the above all black image for those who want to start practicing and don’t yet have a black mirror.  You can use this for now.  Right click and then open image in new tab.  It will enlarge and have enough black to practice with.)

The same advice can work with regular mirrors too, however, those have a higher tendency of reflecting more things from the room that can create distractions. These same tips can also be used to help with crystal ball scrying as well. So I will get right into this and put all the types that I have found helped me out quite a bit, that I hope will help others in their quest to learning this kind of divination.

Before you start, you’ll want to do whatever it is that you do when you prep for any kind of divination if anything at all. Some people like to do cleansing baths, others like to listen to certain kinds of music to put their mind in the mood. If you don’t do any prior preparations that’s okay too, this is optional.

If you like to use any type of incense, herbs, crystals, scents, oils, etc. that enhance clairvoyance. (Frankincense is good example). If you haven’t used anything like this before, then it’s worth a try to help during your session. These you will set up in the area you are working in. Incense you’ll light right before you begin.

Make sure to have all the lights off in the room and just have one or two candle’s going. Lights are extremely distracting, in fact, I wouldn’t even be able to begin under that condition. After you have the candle(s) lit, you will want them behind you, set in the distance. You don’t want them to the side or front of you, where the sight of the flame will keep catching your attention. After that, you want to angle the mirror so that your face isn’t reflecting in it, nor is any other items in the room. Try to angle it so that it’s reflecting the blank ceiling, but you can still see the surface fine.

Next it is important to get into a comfortable position. You don’t want a position that might get so uncomfortable that it takes you out of your trance. Once you do this, close your eyes, try to clear your thoughts a bit. This would also be a good time to beseech any spirits of any type that you work with, for guidance. Once more relaxed, and almost in a meditative state, open your eyes and gaze. At this point, go into a trance, keeping your eyes on the mirror. It’s okay to blink if your eyes are feeling strained or getting too watery.

You will at first likely notice the mirror take on a white haze. You may not get beyond this your first few times. But eventually, you will start noticing other things take on shape in the mirror, or bright spots. They could form pictures or symbols. Some might look like black figures of animals or people starting around on the mirror, in like a fleeting image. Some might show color. They could be slow moving or so fast and rapid that it takes you a few extra seconds to process what you saw. Also, during this session, pay attention to any fleeting thoughts or images that come into your mind as well. Often, these sessions don’t just show you things in the mirror, you will get messages in other ways as well. Suddenly songs might pop into your mind, words, statements, etc. A perfect example of this: About a month ago a male witch friend of mind asked me to look into a matter with him. So I did a mirror reading. I kept seeing this long cloaked figure, and suddenly the song “Dear Mr. Fantasy” by Traffic popped into my mind. For some weird reason, that song always made me think of wizards. Then I realized I was looking at some one that calls them-self a wizard. Turns out, long ago, he had some one in his life like that, and what they did to him pertained to the problem he was having now, which was an occult related situation. I saw something else, and it took him off guard that I saw it, because it was a secret that no one is suppose to know about. I can’t disclose it because it’s confidential, but it flashed right after the wizard showed up, and sort of like flew out of the mirror. Sometimes you may spot images outside of the mirror too. So all of this, what’s in your mind, your senses, what’s on the glass, off the glass, is all relative to the session even if it doesn’t seem that way..

When starting out, buy a note book, just for this purpose, and have it handy. Record your practice sessions, everything about it, what you saw, heard, etc. After a while, you’ll start realizing that when you see certain things, they have certain meanings to you when they show up. So this is a way to help you decipher your own personal divination process, sort of like learning the language of how your own clairvoyant mind works. Example…for a while, you may not know why you keep seeing trees over and over again. You write this down, and it keeps showing up. Then suddenly some day, you realize what the trees meant to you. Maybe for you, you realized that the trees were revealing that you are connecting with Tree spirits. Now you’ll have figured out that when you see trees, it’s about these spirits.. But some one else might find out that when they see trees, it means some kind of journey usually. So it’s always good to keep track of what you see, and will help make the process of learning how you interpret things, easier.

No matter what, do not get discouraged. This takes a lot of time and practice. Try setting aside practice with it, three times a week, and start out with 10 minute sessions at first then eventually increase the time to 20. I usually won’t recommend (nor do I myself) go beyond 20 minutes, unless I am doing a extended reading I am taking breaks at times during it. The more you practice the better you will get. Practice always makes masters when you are determined and stick with it. I assure you, in time you will start understanding what you see and developing your interpretations. It’s all personal to you. First, spend a lot of time practicing on yourself. Then after a while you might want to grab a trusted friend who will let you practice on them. I have heard from many in my travels that they consider this to be the hardest to form of divination to do. I think the reason it may seem that way is because there’s plenty of instructions on doing it, but not a whole lot on what the images might mean. There are books that try to help with this, and can be of great assistance, but in reality, the interpretation is up to the interpretation to figure out; hence the challenge. So the real trick is a lot of practice which helps you figure out what certain figures, symbols, etc. mean to you when you see them show up for other reasons.

Additional considerations….There is differences of opinions on handling the black mirror. Some insist that a ritual should be done to charge it. If this is something you feel you should do, or would make you feel better if you did, then I’d do it. Personally, I have never found it to make a difference either way, but if it’s important to you, then it may matter. A lot of sites also advise against allowing others to touch your black mirror. I have been dealing with them for years, and I have found that other people touching my mirrors did not hinder any ability to use them, so I don’t personally mind people touching mine. But I realize that some witches really get bothered by people touching their items, so if you aren’t at all comfortable with other hands on your mirror, then definitely keep them from other people. The one bit that I do agree with that is often advised, is not to let others do scrying on your mirror. Although, I know that the mirror is just a tool that can get your divination juices flowing, and that all that you see and hear is all solely from within you; I also believe that all things are flowing with energy. I believe that when we use our tools, we are also infusing them and imprinting them with our own energy, especially over a good period of time. In my opinion, the more your regular tools get infused with your energy, the easier they work with you. I know I would not want my mirrors having any one else’s energy imprinted anywhere in it, just my own. However, again, I realize that witches are a very vast group, and another witch might not feel this same way about this. Just bringing these points up, and you can determine what is best suited and most comfortable for you..


Mabon. Mabon not.

Please click on the link below to read the blog! I am sharing this, because a lot of people in the pagan/witchcraft community do not realize how this term got started.   Apparently, it is not the ancient term people think it is, and in fact, was coined by some one that is an Oath Breaker who harmed many in his own community.  Personally, I always called the equinox, the fall equinox, but others call it “mabon” unwittingly thinking that the historical pagans did as well. Well they didn’t.  Now you can explore this, and decide if you would rather stick with the older ways, or adhere to a term created by the Oath Breaker. What’s more disturbing than the term being new (terms get coined all the time, and some day a new term becomes old/ancient) is who it was created by.   Because of this person, people lost their jobs, children, etc.  He outed witches that he swore a vow of secrecy with during times when people could still be in deep trouble for openly admitting to being a witch.  It is troublesome for me that some would still want to use a term made from some one like that, for a holiday which is suppose to be a respectful festive one.

via Mabon. Mabon not.

Free Will And Witch Craft


How often have you seen a self proclaimed witch say “I won’t do this, it bends free will….bending free will is a no no….Do not tamper with free will” or something of that effect?  I’ve seen it quite a few times myself, and I can honestly say, it baffles me how this concept even crept into  the world of  witchcraft to begin with.    In my opinion, I even wonder how some can even dare say they are a witch while insisting that they would never bend free will.   I also wonder since when did “bending free will” even become such a dirty phrase, or taboo?   A wise person knows this isn’t ALWAYS a  bad thing, for bad reasons, or negative.  A wise witch doesn’t see the world in black and white either, and sees a lot of gray areas; and this includes when to, or not to bend a will.  If you are a living breathing human being, you HAVE, in fact, bent free will, or TRY to influence it, at one point or another in your life, likely a lot more times than you realized it.   If you TRULY are a witch, you have certainly used magic that  bent free will at one time or another without even realizing it.

I’ll explain….If you have ever done ANY of the following mundane things in your life, you HAVE either succeeded in bending free will, or tried to….

1.)   Talk your parents into letting you sleep over a friends house.  (you are trying to bend their will to agree that this is a good idea.)

2.)   Approached a friend who has problems with addiction, to try to get them to get treatment.  (you are trying to bend their will to get sober)

3.)   Refused to let your child do something, no matter how badly they wanted to do it. (You used your will, and authority to over power theirs.)

4.)   Went to a job interview dressed to impress, and answered the questions in the matter that you think would show the potential employer you are best for the job. (Everything about this is an attempt to bend the will of the boss to see you as the only candidate for the job.)

5.)  Taking some one out on a date, dressing to impress, as well as watching how you speak and making sure to arrange what you consider a beautiful perfect date. (You are trying to bend the will of your date to potentially see you as some one to keep dating.)

6.)  Tried to talk a friend out of dating some one that was abusive, or ending a toxic friendship with some one. (You are hoping to get their will to bend to see what you see, and get rid of the bad person.)

Of course I could go on and on, but as you see, in regular every day life, we are often doing and saying things that we feel might influence or bend a will.

Now for some witchcraft examples of how even the people boasting to be the biggest love and light witches out there that would never do this, are actually doing it…

Did you ever cast a spell or work magic to do any of the following?

1.)   A spell of protection for a loved one who is being targeted by some one else, for malicious treatment?  (Your spell will in some way, bend the will of the bully.)

2.)  Set up wards or protections around your home to prevent burglaries and home invasions? (You are affecting the will of a would be robber or home invader by making them not want to bother with your home, or cloaking it to prevent them their free will to choose or not choose your home.)

3.)  Done a job spell for yourself or friend? (Same reasons you are tampering with free will applies to the job interview example above.)

4.) Done any kind of spell at all or blessings for anyone you care about, who is facing a legal situation? (You are attempting to bend possible multiple wills in court to find favor in your loved one’s case.)

5.)  Banished or drove a spirit out of a home? (You’ve by force and against the will of the spirit, made them leave the area.  Even if you “showed them a way to move on” you did so in order to bend their will to want to leave.)

6.)   Done any spell to make some one see the error of their ways?  (If your spell was successful then you forced their will to bend and see things they did not before, nor otherwise would have without your spell.)

This is also a non exhausted list of ways witches, even without realizing it, DO, in fact, bend, influence or tamper with free will.

Is Bending free will really so bad?  

So maybe it isn’t so BAD to bend, or influence free will at times.  Maybe some times there are excellent reasons to, and the witch needs to know when it is right, and when it is wrong.   Once again, it ALL boils down to the intent.   Are you trying to save your friend’s life?  Or help them succeed?  Or protect some one from the daily beatings from the school bully?   Is your loved one starving and desperately needing a job?  Any of these are very good reasons, with very good intent, for going ahead and doing something that may bend a will here or there in the process.   You do it one way or another in your daily life, why would the rules of human engagement suddenly differ just because you want to aid it with magic?   I think the problem is, people assume automatically, without thought,  that bending free will equates to making some one enslaved to them, or more like a zombie.   In reality, there is a world of differences between the two.   Remember when you were young and your will was to go hang with your friends,  but your parents grounded you instead?  Your will did NOT desire being grounded, therefore being grounded was against your will, and STILL you remained a free thinking human with your will fully intact.   You were not a damaged enslaved soul, having your will fully destroyed were you?   Well neither was  most people who’s will may have been influenced by magic or other wise either.   So the problem isn’t about tampering with free will, but rather anything done magical (or mundane for that matter too) that attempts to fully destroy some one’s free will, or enslave them in some way.   The witches of the old ways knew the differences, never fretted over “free will” (this is a newer phenomenon) and neither should you.  Always consider your intent and why you do what you do; as a wise woman/man will know when the time is right, and for what good reasons that a will may need some influence/bending.

Cause and Effect Being Used as Proof of Three fold


I am finally beyond my wits end, seeing some three fold believer or another through out the years, during a discussion with a non adherent of it, bring this up as if it validates their claim and invalidates the non adherent.   In most of these cases that I have seen it, it clearly shows me that the three folder is ignorant of of what the non adherent of it actually believes.   To be clear, I have never met a non adherent that DID NOT believe in cause and effect, so I never understood why a believer of it thinks this is going to prove them wrong.  But even worse, many of  those that use this and call this three fold, did not apply enough critical thinking to see how Cause and Effect, albeit important in three fold, is far from a friend.   Very recently I had a run in with a high priestess of a non Gardenerian Wiccan coven who actually thinks that Three fold = results from magic work, AND cause and effect.     “Yea, this non belief in a 3 fold is silly. If you do magic, there’s going to be results – that’s the 3 fold in action.”   then in an area where she was more frustrated with my not believing in three fold, she said this while attempting (but failing to bait me into a three fold debate)  “Most people who do magic – EXPECT RESULTS.  If one knows how ENERGY works – one also knows there is CAUSE AND EFFECT ”  Yes, you read that right and that second sentence was in context of her telling me that this is what three fold is. (I’m always perplexed as to why it bothers any of them that I don’t believe in this. I promise it won’t hurt them that I don’t.)  I expect something like this from a newer witch still developing and learning, but I never expect this from anyone that’s been initiated to a high priestess in  some kind of wiccan coven, who also boasts 25 years of experience in witchcraft under her belt.  In fact, in fairness to the many high priests and priestesses that I have met and befriended in various covens, I can say this is NOT the norm for them, and I have never ever seen one make a claim that magical results themselves are three fold in action, until now.   Most times, I see things like this from newer people, as well as book learned ones who got some bad info.   But lately, I am seeing more and more of this whole “Cause and Effect = three fold” movement coming surprisingly, from those of experience too.  Hence, being fed up with having to say the same thing over and over again, and my concern for newer witches who might get this kind of poor teaching quality from a more experienced witch, I am putting this out there.  Those of you (I know I am not the only one) who are also sick of this card coming up in those discussions are more than welcome to share this as well.


Definitions ARE relevant and vital. Without them, we can just take ANY term we want and twist it into something so foreign to it’s meaning, we then we turn the English language into gibberish, to suit our own agenda rather than let the language stand. Sometimes words vary or have updated meanings that are widely accepted. For instance, the word witch use to only mean those mythical like monsters in folklore (back in those days the actual witches called themselves cunning-folk and kin people and were also worried about those creatures) but has now updated to include the people of today that define themselves as a witch. However, 3 means three. It does not mean 1, 2, 6, 10 nor an infinite number. Three is an absolute number with an unwavering definition.  IF we start changing what three means,we are really going to screw up some math.  AND three fold has its definition too, which is ALSO consistent with Gardnerian version as well as many others that believe in it, have explained which I will touch on later. Three fold by definition, lest we want to go screwing with math again, means three times the amount, or three times greater, no more or less.  This is very important for a lot of formulas that have nothing to do with witchcraft as well. It is when people start taking away from the meaning of three and three fold and calling all these things that do not demand three times or even three for a number that the problem arises and people thinking it’s okay to call “Cause and Effect” three fold. By now I am sure some of you are seeing a problem here already.

So what IS the definition of Cause and Effect? Cause and Effect is the relationship between things or events where the first part is partly or wholly responsible for the second, and the second thing or event is dependent on the first, either partially or wholly. That is it! There is nothing more or less about it. It is vague and encompasses a very vast scope of possibilities.  It doesn’t even require an equal action.  It certainly does not demand, is related to, or even dependent on the number three, or three times.  You will NEVER find “three fold” as its definition, no matter where you look it up.  So no, cause and effect does NOT equal, and is NOT defined as three fold; regardless of how much some people want it to. It also does not equal or mean “karma” either, which is another thing some people think is its definition or vice versa.  One thing you should be noticing at this point, is that Cause and Effect does not care, it does not keep score, AND it also does not demand that everything winds up fair, good, or just.  In other words, we as witches  SHOULD be wise to this fact, and realize that cause and effect even can work in ways that might even anger us, and happen in very unexpected ways.   Being aware of this is what, for a lot of us, helps us make decisions to act in our craft to redirect an event where we felt that the effect resulting from the cause was not fair, right, or just.   I don’t even think I’ve met a witch yet that did not ever use their craft to try to right a wrong or unjust effect that resulted from some sort of cause.  So people can stop kidding themselves and gloating and thinking that every time they hear of some one doing the wrong thing (cause) they are going to get theirs, and the (effect) for them is going to be bad.  That’s, in my opinion, lazy armchair thinking that invites a witch not to be watchful and instead to be very complacent, when they should be looking for what the effect might be, and able and ready to take action if it’s not a fair or just one.


Sometimes the effect is greater or lesser, maybe one little thing happens, maybe a whole bunch of awfulness. It fully depends on what the cause is.  Here are some examples of different causes and effects,and not all of them are nice, just, or even what good people would like them to be. But they DO exist regardless of what we like, or wish.

Lets say I am a complete jerk to one of my best friends one day. The cause of that might result in her feeling sad. That’s the effect, and it’s one negative effect, not three. However, it might also cause her to not want to be my friend anymore, never speak to me again, as well as many other things, Could be three things, could be 1, or 20 things.  Or perhaps the effect could be she simply thinks I woke up on the wrong side of the bed, nothing at all results, she doesn’t ever mention it to me, and I might not have even been aware that I was such a jerk to even feel any remorse from it.  So sometimes, there really isn’t even an effect all.   While cause and effect occurs in most cases about most things, there are, in fact, times that a cause does not produce an effect.  This happens too in some experiments that scientists do, which disappoints them when they are hoping for some kind of effect.

A thief robs a store, gets caught and is facing a possible conviction and sentence to some time in jail. The effect of his robbery is being caught. But what happens to him, depends on numerous factors. Again, could be 1 thing, could be 100. But for sure, unless the legal system has three other robberies to pin on him, they won’t give him three times more than what the law says. But if that same Robber has a stellar attorney, maybe he will win and be acquitted even if guilty. The cause of having a stellar attorney, effected how the end result would be, and if he was guilty, then justice was not served by it.   This is an example of a cause causing a certain effect, but the person  took some action to then create another cause to bring about a whole different effect then what initially could have been an effect.  This is also an example of some one who should have rightfully paid for his wrong doing, but was able to cause a more unjust effect to happen.

A prosecutor is very corrupt, and has a stellar record of convictions, including many innocent people that she got away with tampering evidence with. Due to their stellar record, they get a huge promotion and become a judge. They live happily ever after. This is a prime example of things that do happen, that might anger us and is unfair, BUT it is STILL an example of cause and effect, But for her bad conduct and screwing people over in order to get where she got, she wouldn’t have gotten that promotion. (this is an actual thing that did happen in my state btw.)

Now for a more traditional example that fits the ideology of a three fold believer.   A male witch, in a fit of insanity and anger about his own life, decides he’s going to hex children.   He unwittingly has hexed a child of a  witch who has no qualms about hexing and cursing.  In fact, she’s already got wards set up protecting her and her family, which results in any magical attacks towards them will return back on the male witch.  He winds up getting nailed with his own hex.   Now maybe some believers of three fold are now thinking “AHA, exactly!  That’s the three fold”.  But wait…no….actually, it isn’t.  Remember that annoying fact about three fold AND the number three having certain definitions?   If  not, remember it now and think about this for a minute.   UNLESS the witch herself, deliberately set up the booby trap in the ward to come at some one three times worse, and had the experience to make sure it kept to the number three, then really what’s happening is equal times, NOT three times.  All this witch did was set whatever he was doing to come back at him, just the same, no more or less.  But some how I have seen people showing that they think equal  amount = three fold as well.  In fact, I have seen numerous debates where the three fold believer shares a story or something similar to the above that they think is proof of three fold; only to have many of us who don’t believe, raising our  eyebrows wondering when it was, that an equal action got turned into, twisted up and redefined as three times more?  Just like you will never see “three fold” under the definition of cause and effect, you will never find three fold for the definition of equal either.   I saved this example for last because this sort of thing I see constantly.


Basically, we believe that most causes have an effect  What we don’t do is  pretend to KNOW what that effect might be, or even assign a number to it, or anything that designates a definite amount of times greater or lesser the effect might be.  We also don’t think that curses or hexes automatically cause bad things to happen to the spell caster either.  In my opinion, again, that’s lazy thinking that simplifies things and refuses the brain and leg work to look at all the factors that might be involved.   Perhaps some one was cursed, and the effect of the curse was that a life was saved.  Perhaps as an effect of a hex, some one learned a lesson and corrected some bad behavior that was effecting others.  There are many examples of curses and hexes not being an auto punishment towards the caster and even IF something DID go wrong, it may not be three times, maybe it’s minor, maybe greater.  Either way its not three fold.

But what baffles many of us, is that many three folders seem to designate or thump three fold ONLY WHEN they see some one discussing wanting to curse or hex.   Do they not realize that ALL magic, when used wrong, recklessly, or by some one very in experienced, has a high risk of going wrong? In fact, MOST of the time I’ve seen something go wrong  in all my years it was NOT because some one was attempting to do a curse or hex, in fact, maybe only 1% of the time one of these kinds of spells were involved.  For the 99% in my experience, most cases were spells that the most strict three folder wouldn’t have seen a problem with, including some healing spells where the sick person permitted or asked for it.   In this 99% category I saw that the reason something went so south was a result of one of the following reasons:   A.) A very inexperienced novice witch, or dabbler (non witch playing with witchcraft)  was working something beyond their skills, B.)  a witch was not treating their craft responsibility and not going about what they were doing mindfully, C.)  an experienced  witch accidentally screwed up something in the execution of the spell.  (if only humans were all perfect, this could never happened, but alas, it can even for most experience ones out there.)  So the reasons these causes resulted in bad effects were very pragmatic, and NOT because of some mystical three fold out there trying to cause these practitioners some grief..  And funnily enough, I haven’t seen, in the ANY  cases I’ve observed, things going on with the number three, or three times greater.   IN all of these cases, what happened varied, some times a huge mess that if you wanted to apply a number, you’d be far beyond three fold all the way to as minor as a little oops that quickly was able to be fixed with nothing terrible.

But we DO have some common ground with the three fold adherents, which are just like YOU, most of us believe:

1.) In cause and Effect.  2.) That magic should be treated respectfully and responsibility.  3.) That nasty things can and does happen at times with use of magic.   4.) In doing what is right and just.   5.)  In our own morals and ethics that similar to yours maybe even identical.

The ONLY real differences I see is a different way of looking at it, and we don’t put it all in a narrow little box of three.  Nor do we demand that the definitions of words be changed, or get so….whatever it is you get, I don’t even know why… that some how words like equal, or situations where even though the effect was obviously equal, you insist on calling it three or saying three fold.


Figured I’d touch on this at some point, because I am sure some of the readers fall into this category.

So far, one of the  most practical and consistent three fold beliefs I have found, which I really have no reason to object to, are the ones held by the Traditional Gardnerian Wiccans.  These are the folks that coined and originally defined Three fold.   They have kept to their original definition too.  Having befriended many priests and priestess, as well as initiates of this tradition, many have taught me a lot of stuff that did not break their oaths.  One of which, is their version of three fold.    Their three fold is NOT universal, is not RUN or controlled by the Universe and NOT for everyone under the sun.   It is also NOT for every single action done by everyone, or even every single action a witch does.  Their three fold pertains to  a witch to another witch.   I had shared a blog by a Gardnerian that explained it best.  If you do good by a witch, then by the Gardnerian three fold, they are obligated to repay you three times better.  But if you do good by a  Christian neighbor they are not under this, they are not a witch.   Also, three fold plays a part in second degree initiation of a Gardnerian witch.

Another consistent version started in the 1970s.  This version, which I have sourced to originate with Raymond Buckland, alters the original Gardnerian version and now changes it to be a universal thing.   This is the most commonly held version by many eclectic wiccans, non Gardnerian wiccans and even many non wiccan witches out there have adopted it.   It’s the most poplar for sure.   This version teaches that every action has three times an action be it good or bad.   Many stick to this, and sincerely believe it, and wouldn’t call an equal action or even cause and effect three fold UNLESS they saw something happen in that way, like something happen in threes or three times greater.   This does not tamper with any definitions.  Now I can find many practical flaws in this belief, and have many times in the past.  Never the less, I at least respect them, and their sincerity, as well as their remaining consistent.

One last one, is I have met some that believe in three fold but they believe that it manifests in certain conditions and NOT all the time.  So they too don’t think every cause and effect or action is three fold.  They also don’t think every time a curse or hex is done, that three fold automatically rears a head or grinds an ax.   They think that if some one is recklessly using magic, or out of malice, spite, hatefulness, then the magic worker is risking some kind of three fold to take place.   In this case, still, they will only call those results or effects that can actually be measured in three or that there was clearly a three fold effect.  For anything else, like equal effect, if it’s a negative one, you might simply see them refer to this as karma instead of three fold.   This is also a view that does not screw up definitions, and it has less flaws than the version above because they don’t claim it’s always and a constant thing for everything.


With all the above said this does NOT mean that cause and effect is irrelevant in threefold, it is obviously VERY relevant, and plays a huge part in three fold; such a huge part that it has become clear to me that too many have blended the line so much that they actually think cause and effect IS the three fold.   I would say that Three fold even is dependent on cause and effect and would not stand alone without it.   Even with many types of wiccan beliefs where they might feel the universe plays a part, Deities, spirits, energy currents or a little of all of the above, still, an initial cause would be necessary for even any of these factors to react, whether making decisions or what have you, in order to produce a three fold effect to that cause.   So the next time some one wants to tell you cause and effect is three fold, kindly tell them, no, cause and effect is  larger than that, and stands alone without it.  In fact your three fold NEEDS it, in order to have a prayer of chance to exist in the first place.   Then by all means share this blog with them and be done.

No Such Thing As An Atheist Witch Myth

Atheist Symbol 1

As an Atheist who is also a witch, I am getting pretty sick and tired of people in the Pagan/Witchcraft community trying one way or another, tell me that it is impossible/incompatible for an Atheist to be a Witch..   I see this over and over again in various forms, and it is almost always simply because the person does not know what the term “atheist” means and insists on trying to add more to it, than it actually is.  On the rare occasion it is because the person does not understand that witchcraft can be separate from deities of any form.

So what is an Atheist? 

In every dictionary I can muster up, I will allow the term to define itself in it’s pure form…I will share multiple to save some one the lame argument of trying to claim I am dictionary biased (you never know, people are strange….)

Oxford Dictionary

A person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

‘he is a committed atheist’


Merriam-Webster Dictionary

a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods one who subscribes to or advocates atheism

MacMillan English Dictionary

someone who does not believe that God exists

Needless to say, in every single dictionary I can find online, in every case, the term Atheist very clearly means a person who does not believe in/lacks belief in god(s).   Nothing else is included in it.  Therefore, the ONLY criteria for it, is lack or disbelief in deities, nothing more or less.

Why other’s think there are additional requirements for Atheism. 

While I can’t speak for what goes on in everyone’s mind, I believe I do have a good idea as to why others add more to the definition than actually exists.   The loudest voices in Atheism tends to come from materialist Atheists.   They also account for the majority of Atheists.  This type not only lacks the belief in deities, but they also lack the belief in anything supernatural, the after life, metaphysical, or anything occult.   They argue against all these to the point that it would seem to others who never actually looked into the definition what an Atheist is that these categories are all inclusive to the term.   Even these types, if pressed, will admit that although they might think it’s foolish, silly, or stupid, an Atheist can believe in all these things, and still be an Atheist; just not a materialist Atheist.  This can make it challenging for the Atheists that do have these beliefs as they are not only chided by the majority of the atheist community (since most are materialistic) but also have to deal with the occasional scorn from the Theistic communities as well.

So What’s an Atheist Witch to do when encountering some one who doesn’t understand what an Atheist is, and thinks it’s incompatible with being a witch?

Usually, all you have to do is politely point out that the only requirement for Atheism is lack of belief in deities, show them the definition, or an essay covering the subject and they will have accepted that they just learned something they did not previously realize.   But on occasion, there is always that one person that wants to sit there and continue to argue with the Atheist witch about it, some how feeling emboldened to dictate to an Atheist witch what an Atheist is;  which is insulting and foolishly implies that the Atheist witch did not already look into the definition and sort this out before realizing that they are a witch who is also an Atheist.  But there are ways you can highlight the foolish nonsense of the argument, and show easily how the attempted logic lacks any merit.

1.      Some one might continue to say to you that they don’t understand how you can be a witch too, and then name all the things a materialistic Atheist rejects (see above).  This is when you again, reaffirm the definition (that you probably already showed them) remind them that they, nor materialistic Atheists have the copy writes to re-write the definition of an Atheist, to suit their own liken.  Then point out that not all Theists are the same, there are many different types, and therefore, logically, you will find different types of Atheists as well.  You can’t broaden theists while narrowing atheists

2.   Some one might argue that the vast majority of Atheists they know or had experience with did not believe in anything outside of scientific findings, therefore implying that you being an atheist that accepts more than these findings makes no sense to them.  You can let them know that this is also your experience (if it is) but that experience is limited to the person’s own encounters and does not, in fact, exclude anything different than anything they’ve encountered.  All that means is they simply never experienced it yet, but now they have with you, and it’s illogical to assume another group does not exist just because they never met one yet.  Encourage them to seek communities or other areas where they can find atheist witches so therefore, they can increase their experience and understanding of this type of witch so that they no longer have a narrowed down view of what an Atheist is..

3.   Some one might suggest the definition is outdated because, once again….all the observations they made about what materialistic Atheists say, caused them to include all the other paranormal like categories into what an Atheist is and they think the definition should fit more with the majority..  Remind them that since the term itself was coined to describe people who were opposite of theists in regards to believing in a deity, the definition is quite current and fitting..  To add more too it, would make it something that would demand a whole different term all together.  Remind them of what the term Theist means and how they’ve met so many different types: religious, non-religious, monotheist, polytheists, etc.   but yet the one sole thing all theists have in common is the belief in deities whether one or more.   Therefore, it’s irrational to assume that when it comes to atheists, there needs to be more added to the term when this isn’t demanded for the term theist; especially if the argument is due to majority.   This is especially silly if it’s coming from a Witch.   Christianity is the largest religion in the world, toppling about 2.1 billion.   Paganism is among the smallest, and Pagan Witches even less, only a fraction of pagans.   How fair or right would it be to then take the term Theist, and bastardize it only to fit for Christians, and therefore, in a way that excludes pagans, or pagan witches?  This won’t make the minority go away, it just tampers with a term to make it now inaccurate and  no longer an  umbrella term that covers every kind of Theist imaginable.  Same principal applies to the term Atheists. So the term Atheist as it is, wields the most accurate definition, encompassing every kind of Atheist under the moon.

4.  Recently, I saw some one argue that  “lack of religion is a key tenant of calling yourself an atheist”.   This was supposedly an argument for why an Atheist can’t be a Wicca (which I actually agree with based on what the religion of Wicca is), but the person incorrectly stated “The belief in spirits, magic or any supernatural forces or beings also, in most definitions, would prevent atheism. ”  Wiccans are not the only witches that believe in these things, so she make a sweeping statement here.  First of all, it’s in error because,  I already showed what “most definitions” say out of the most prominent English dictionaries (See above); apparently, she did not look the term up when she stated that most definitions say this.   Second of all, not all Theists even believe in everything on her list, I have met some that don’t believe in spirits, and some that reject an afterlife.  Both theists or atheists have the luxury to believe in all on her list, some or none. But getting to the claim that lack of religion is the key tenant in calling yourself an atheist, this is wrong on many levels. Firstly, it is wrong because, the definitions do not include it.  Secondly, it is wrong because there are many theists out there who are not religious, or a-religious, but believe in some kind of deity and that’s about it.  I have met plenty of them in my life span so far.    Also, if the term Atheist demands lack of religion as a key tenant, then it logically stands to follow that the term Theist demands that having a religion is a key tenant to calling self theist.  So, she incorrectly now would have these types of Theists included in the category of Atheist.  Thirdly, there are religions out there that Atheists are part of because they are compatible with Atheism, thereby, making some Atheists, obviously religious too. Buddhism ranks as the 6th largest religion in the world (about 376 million) which is compatible, and there is a branch of secular Buddhists.   Then you have Unitarian Universalists who rank in at 20th with about 800,000.  They too have quite a few members that are Atheist or Agnostic, including clergy.   Let’s not forget about the Laveyan Satanist too, which is a strictly Atheistic religion.

5.  Then finally, you find people out there who do not misunderstand the term “Atheists” but rather what makes some one a witch.  There are some that think that the key, or essential component of being a witch is belief  in and working with deities and can’t understand how you can be one without them.  This is actually true for some Witchcraft paths, Wicca being one of them, but not all.   The main tenant of being a witch is practicing witchcraft (which has many formats, some, like in Wicca involve it in a way that pertains to deities.)  However, based upon the actual definition of witchcraft, religion or even belief in deities is not a requirement at all, therefore it’s very possible and even not uncommon for some one to keep their witchcraft path separate from their religious or non religious path.   So when encountering some one like this, it’s useful to focus more on what a witch actually is, and then apply how it therefore is compatible with Atheism.

The above arguments (Save for the fourth one which this was the first time I saw it used, but really felt it was worth attention because it will probably get used again some where) are the main ones I see.   None of them are very logical in my opinion, and are based on an individual person’s ignorance.   Not using the term ignorance to be fresh, but that’s exactly what it is, the person never really looked into the term Atheism and is going by their limited understanding.  If you are reading this and are an Atheist witch that has come across other types of arguments, I would be happy to see you share it, and your ideas on how to deal with it.   If you are some one that has always thought Atheists had to be materialistic, then I hope you appreciate the eye opener, and the broadening of the term that I hoped you would have upon reading this.   Please, if you encounter an Atheist in any magical communities, rather than assume upon them what you think they are suppose to be like, it would be more helpful to engage them and actually ask them what they believe, think or feel.  It is also perfectly fine to ask them if they do believe in things like the afterlife, spirits, etc.   If they seem materialistic, it’s fair to ask them how this kind of belief ties into their magical practice; as I’ve even met some that lean more materialistically, practicing witchcraft.



No True Scotsman

No True Scotsman is a logical fallacy that I see often enough in pagan/witch communities that I feel this subject could use some attention.   This logical fallacy is used when some one does not like evidence that goes against their own opinion about a group of people (religious or otherwise), and in order to try to discredit the evidence or person, they go and make a very generalized statement about the group of people, that asserts that if  such a person is doing this certain thing, then they must not be a true member, nationality, believer, of said group.  For more about this logical fallacy see here…

In pagan or witch communities, when ever you see some one making a statement like “A real/true witch/pagan…”  Or “No real/true witch/pagan….does/would/believes/thinks….” then that is some one that is effectively erecting the no true Scotsman fallacy.   It is constant, and as wrong as it is absurd.   Usually it will be followed by an explanation that makes little to no sense for some one to say about such a diverse group as pagans or witches are where there are no hard lined rules.

Recently, I saw a perfect example of this.  Some one started talking about “Lucifer”.  Some one else comes along and says “No real pagans believe in Lucifer because Lucifer is a Christian concept.”  Another person came along and reasserted the logical fallacy by saying “Pagans don’t believe in Lucifer because paganism is thousands of years older than Christianity.”   It really doesn’t take a large dose of common sense to figure out the problem here.   First problem is there are no limits on pagans (or witches) as to who they can and can not believe in.  This means that they can believe in beings that come out of any particular group, as well as believe in beings/deities that were first thought of anywhere from 5,000 years ago, all the way to to..hell….if the deity was invested yesterday.   Anyone that says they can not, is either full of it and taking on an authoritarian position they have no right to take, or totally ignorant of what a pagan is; and yes this includes plenty of self described pagans.  If they themselves want to enslave themselves with rules that limits who they can and can not believe in, that’s fine, but they don’t get to take the rules and limits they made for themselves and impose it on others, nor do they have the right, or authority to redefine what a pagan for everyone else.  The definition of a pagan is just fine without their attempted bastardization of it.

Another thing, if they want to play the limitation game with others, they should take a look at themselves.  How many commingle deities from other religions and groups together?  I’ve met plenty along my travels that claimed to worship, or work with Hecate (from Greece), and Isis (From Egypt).   Evidence of Hecate shows her from 500 BCE on up.  Evidence of Isis existence doesn’t go beyond 5th dynasty (2465–2325 BCE).  Even though Isis first appearance in a religious group is a heck of a lot older than when Hecate first showed up in Greece, you never see anyone arguing how pagans can’t believe in Hecate because she was found much later than Isis.   You also never see them argue about how one can’t believe in Isis, because she comes from Egyptian beliefs, when if they were “real” they should reject her, and accept Hecate instead.  You never even see anyone argue about how anyone should only stick with one region’s pantheon but not another.  In fact, on the contrary, pagans like to argue about, and support how they can embrace who ever the heck they want to, from where ever they want to regardless of when they showed up in history.   Yet some how this very same logic and reasoning falls right to the way side every time a Judeo-Christian figure gets mentioned and out comes hypocrisy, rearing it’s ugly little head.  Sorry but disliking Christianity, or it’s beliefs does not appoint any pagan the right to tell others what and who they are to embrace, while trying to shame them by trying to discredit their paganism.  

With that said, it is also an issue when some one tries to dictate who or what witches are to believe, think or feel, while evoking the no true Scotsman logical fallacy as a subtle, sneaky, and manipulative way of trying to coax a witch to conform to said person’s own brand of witchcraft and witchcraft based beliefs.   They may not realize they are being this way but there is no other way to refer to it, outside of the antic being sneaky and manipulative.   It’s completely irrational and underhanded.   World of Witchcraft has room for every kind of witch out there, which also means that there is no way you can put all witches into one little box in order to determine what a true witch is, or does..   Many might do one thing, while a few others might do another thing.

My hope in covering this topic was to not only encourage those who may not fit into some some else’s stereo type to stand up tall and proud, even if they adopt some Judeo-christian figures..   Don’t listen to the no true Scotsman fallacy others might try on you, it’s a fallacy for a reason.  Although, those guilty of doing this themselves might actually benefit too in that they might rethink this behavior and change it for the better.

Why I don’t believe in Kalifornia Karma

I say “Kalifornia Karma” because I can’t even describe it as “Hindu” which is so much different, its not even the same; many Kalifornia karma believers aren’t even aware of that.   Also, I have nothing against those that believe in this form of karma, nor will I tell them what to, or not to believe.   They believe in it, that’s fine with me, and remains fine with me, until some one comes along and pushes it at me, and it’s not fine with them that I don’t believe in it.  It is surprisingly common for people in witchcraft circles to not only be not so fine about, or towards others that don’t believe in it, but also bringing it up as a form of advice (well meaning of course) as if it’s automatically assumed to be an every witch’s belief.  This is about as annoying as those who approach you assuming everyone they encounter is a Christian, believes in Jesus and tells them “Don’t worry, Jesus will take care of you.”

So back to Kalifornia Karma, in order to talk about why and how I don’t believe in it, it’s important to define what it is.   Kalifornia Karma is the belief that there is some kind of unseen force, whether it’s the universe, energy,  deity, or a karma god/goddess, who delivers punishments in life to people who do bad things to others.  This is a very prominent belief in the western part of the world.   It is very common to see other people say things like “Just back off, let Karma deal with that person.” or some variation of that.

To me this even differs from cause and effect, in that cause and effect is a direct link in what some one does that may/or may not effect them.   In other words, a person that decides to be a burglar is at a high risk of being caught, and doing jail time.  However, there are other burglar’s who don’t get caught for the crime, and perhaps age out of the bad behavior before anything negative happens to them.  Another cause and effect, if I am walking around swearing at other people, there’s an excellent chance some one will swear back at me, however, I might swear at people all day, and they might just say nothing, and back away from me.  However, with Kalifornia Karma, what’s expected to happen is that some force intervenes at some point, and causes something bad to happen to the person with the bad behavior.   I believe in cause and effect risks scientifically and logically, but I have excellent reasons not to believe in Kalifornia Karma, with excellent reasons why….

My personal experience……There was a point in time, when I was very young, that I started to buy into this axiom.   So many people around me did, it’s hard not to get caught up in it, and start to believe it yourself.   There was a very corrupt prosecutor who was responsible for putting people in jail per corrupt means, even if it meant doctoring up evidence, or tainting her own witnesses to adjust their testimony to be more consistent than it was in relation to a defendant.   There was so much I could have done in this situation, but what did I do instead?  I sat on my magical ass and did nothing, because after all, Karma was going to get her.  Karma did not get her at all.  As a matter of fact, she wound up quite blessed to eventually be promoted to a judge, an obvious high hike in salary, and lives a lovely life; and she gained all this at the expense of others.  In the end, I was ashamed to have done nothing, when I had the skills and means to do so.     If anything, if there is a thing called Karma, probably I’d have to owe a karmic debt for sitting on my magical ass and doing nothing all because of the inertia caused by having some kind of belief or faith in Kalifornia Karma.   I learned from this, however, and I learned to take responsibility when needed, don’t let axioms or words prevent me from doing or even being a vessel of which due comeuppance is dealt out..

Other people’s experiences……I am not the only one who doesn’t believe in this.  Through the years, I’ve met countless others who have similar experiences as mine, or witnessed people who should have, would have gotten karma pay back, but instead, did not and live wonderful lives.  So many people that it can’t be ignored.   In fact, if karma deities, or some force in the universe did exist on this level, then why is it sleeping on the job so often?   Why do so many awful people who hurt many even go untouched by it, and go on their lives as if they were blessed?   Seems very unlikely.

My own observations…..Along with hearing other people’s experiences, I’ve also observed either up close or afar, karma doing nothing but sleeping.   Some of the situations up close, not a darn thing was done by the so called unseen karma force for so long, that finally, in order for something to be done, I was the one that had to step right up to the plate and do it!   Also, I have observed very good people who lived horrible lives who had nothing but terrible things shelled out to them left and right.   What is this “kalifornia karma” with bad aim?

The word/phrase itself is an axiom…In the context of this blog, it means some kind of rule or principal widely regarded as true without proof, question or challenge.   In other words, it’s believed with out proper criteria of collected evidence for proof, and the believer might not have been questioned or challenged about it.   In fact, I have found that when you do question or challenge this belief, many believers get very upset, annoyed, frustrated, or nasty about it.  Never-the-less, because it IS an axiom, then this means it can not over rule, or invalid other kinds of axioms either, like oh say, if some one had the belief that karma does not exist in any way, or on any level.

Still…it is note worthy to mention you will always find people who swear by it, and even claim to experience or observe it.   Assuming that there accounts are credible, I was of course, left to wonder why many of us never see or experience it, while some others say they have.   Then I think of the way magic works.  It is possible, and they may not be realizing it, that they are fueling energy against an evil doer, so much, that they are actually delivering something that they are calling karma.   In other words, an unintended spell, they don’t realize they and their energy is the link, but it is.  It could even be an egregore or some form of it.   Even then, it wouldn’t be a universe or deity, it’s actually coming and manifesting from the person towards a target.   If you feed something enough, maybe anger against some one who wronged many people, that could take on a form of a egregore, or spell and nail a target pretty hard.   Other’s claim that they got some kind of karma retribution for a spell casting they did.  In these cases, they already have that belief in their mind, and likely were worrying about it.   If you firmly believe that if you do any kind of baneful spell, then you will receive some sort of retribution for it, chances are great that you will, you have witched yourself in this way.   This is also why I recommend for people who have this belief, before they set out on doing anything baneful, to reshape their belief system, they need to feel okay with what they are doing before they begin..

So there it is, my reasons for why I don’t believe in Kalifornia Karma.   I don’t expect everyone to agree, but rather understand and respect the reasons why I don’t.   I am not covering anything to do with Hindu or Buddhist types of Karma, those are specif beliefs for specific religions, and I am not expected to believe in them lest I joined one of these religions.   Therefore, I am not addressing Karma depending on Dharma, nor beliefs about karma influencing a later life at all.   I wanted to make this very clear so no one wastes any of their time responding with something like “But it happens in your next life so you won’t see it in this life”.   Yes I know that that is a belief in an established religion, and it’s still a belief based on faith, which is fine, but still not the karma that I am talking about at all in this blog, so I won’t argue or contemplative it either way.

What in the Devil??


During my travels, I came across a forum that I did not realize I had a membership at.  It was brought to my attention when a gentleman who was new there introduced himself and went on to explain a brief description of his path.   He started with a polite thank you, followed by a brief introductory where he stated that he was a traditional witch (prefers to call himself a warlock)of 25 years, named the deities he “follows” (his word) then went onto to saying that he works with the Devil of the Old craft.   Now this would have been a great opportunity for a wise witch to ask him more about the Devil of the old craft, or what the Devil of the old craft means to him.   Instead, he was greeted with many thoughtless, and narrow minded responses  from *witches* trying to dictate to him that he shouldn’t call himself a warlock because it’s “derogatory”; apparently, they are clueless about the old meaning of the world “witch” and the derogatory nature that word was intended to be as well, got to smirk at naive hypocrisy.  Then, shortly after, he was barraged with the following type of ignorant remarks… “There is no devil in witchcraft……The devil is a Christian concept….” or some variation or another of this over and over again.  Blah blah fluffy blah blah.  Not that this guy had to, or should have (pearls to the swine and all that good stuff), he patiently explained what the Devil of the old craft meant to him, and still, rather than wisdom of understanding, or thanking him for volunteering info he did not have to, the fluffy authority figures that did their dictations of what he is to believe, think, or have in his path were obviously oblivious.

First of all, “Devil” may be a Christian concept, but Christianity is NOT the only religion or group that had that concept, nor (surprise surprise) the first group that did.   Devil is a label, NOT a name.  Not only that, but not all devils were the same, or even had the same characteristics.  Depending on the religion or group, the devil’s meaning varies.  In other words the Devil of Christianity is a supreme evil being, ruler of hell, a specific entity. (however, they also refer to any demon as a devil as well) but the devil in Buddhism is Mara, which was a tempter and seducer.  Meanwhile, the devil in some Traditional witchcraft circles is the “witch god”, which brings me to my next point.

Despite what many a modern day witch or wiccan read in some fluffy book that pretties up witchcraft,  or some rabble-rouser’s  over reaction to Christian insistence that witches worship the devil, the devil is, most certainly in fact, a witches concept too, albeit a different kind of devil.   In fact, in many Traditional witch paths, the devil is a well known concept and the Devil differs depending on the different path.  In fact, in Traditional Cornish witchcraft  Bucca Dhu is synonymous with the Devil.  Cornish Traditional Witch, Gemma Gary not only speaks in great length about the devil in their tradition, but also wrote a book about thirteen rites of “the Old one” (the Devil) which includes an initiation by him.  For more on this…

 The operations of magic and witchcraft deal with the hidden worlds of spirit and the powers innate within the natural world; within plant, stone and magical loci. The ‘Old One’, who in folk tradition is often named ‘The Devil’ embodies both the ‘rend in the veil’ and the spanning bridge between the worlds of the material and spiritual, the revealed and the hidden. It is through union with this entity that witches and folk magicians gained access to the powers that reside within the hidden realms and the natural world, and could awaken the potent fire within.

In traditional folk belief, the Devil existed also as an embodiment of the chaotic forces of nature; a belief quite distinct and separate from that of the Church with its ‘Satan’ figure.

The Devil also crops up in other traditions as well.   There are many names or references he might go by.   Most commonly, he is known as Old Scratch, The Man in Black, Dark Man, Dark Goat, Old Nick, The witch Master, and Witch Father.  These go much farther back in time, in relation to witchcraft traditions and folklore than any of these modern day pretentious witchcraft rule makers would like, and none of the variations of the Devil in them are “Christian Concepts”.  But for the sake of an argument, supposing there was even one or two witches or witchcraft paths where their devil  was exactly the Christian concept or so much like it, you could consider it the same identity in name and Title?   This brings me to my next point.

IF there was a witch that DID worship, honor, or in any manner work with the (gasps) Christian concept/version of the Devil, so flipping what??  Find me the actual RULE  in witchcraft that FORBIDS any witch from adopting another religion’s concept or spiritual figure into their  own path and I’ll show you a liar, as there is no such thing as a rule like this.  In fact, there are NO universal rules for ALL witches at all, no rule against a witch embracing the devil, just like there is no Three fold rule for the entire world of Witches.  If there are any rules at all, they will always pertain to whatever specific group a witch is in, for instance, Wiccans have their set of rules, while Cornish Witches have their own set, but neither group gets to impose their rules on every single witch or witch group in the world.  But for some reason, this does not seem to prevent many eclectic Wiccan (usually a solitary from what I see, and I’ve yet to see a initiated Traditional Wiccan do this) from trying to Bible thump some rule or another onto any and every witch they come across that they think is outside of the scope of their own rules. Funnily enough, I see the same population uttering mindless “blessed be’s” or other glowing approval when they encounter a witch that claims to work with angels, even when the Angel names that might get mentioned come straight from the Bible. Angels are also a Judeo-Christian concept.  More over, the whole concept of making ethical rules is also shared by Christians as well, just like the Christians might share a concept of a devil that other groups do, or similar and yet different.   Whether some one likes this fact or not, is not relevant, and it certainly does not make them a better witch than some one that does assimilate the Christian concept devil into their ways.  At the risk of sounding redundant, there is no rule against this, and who are you, who thinks this way, to be trying to make such a rule for other witches?  Your rule for yourself deserves to be greeted as totally meaningless to them.  Fair enough.

One of the positive aspects of witchcraft or pagan circles is the fact that they tend to be far more free range, and left up to the individual practitioner to decide on what their own personal beliefs, guidelines, rules or practices are going to be about.   No one else gets to dictate to them otherwise, and this INCLUDES individuals who DO decide they not only believe in the Christian Devil, but that one way or another they are going to work with this being, or some how incorporate him into their practice.   So next time you see a witch who shares that they work with the Devil of the Old Craft, or any practice that involves a devil into their path, politely ask them more about this so you can learn about the devils of the various traditional paths.  This is far better and more educational than taking the whole ignorant shut down of the mind, and run another witch off with the foolishly fluffy “there is no such thing as a devil in witchcraft….witchcraft is a christian concept” crapola.  If you see another person do this, kindly school them about their stupidity, if they refuse to listen and learn something new, all the fool to them, it was just another pearls to the swine but a good try per the off chance they might have been one of the few surprises out there who become thankful of what you informed and taught them about.

For additional research about the Devil in Traditional groups you can try  these sites…

This link has Doreen valiente’s ABC of witchcraft discussion of the Devil or Man in Black, often a man posing in this outfit to represent him, during the initiation process in older times.


Witches Encouraging Mass Spells/Rituals..


Just this past year, I have noticed several instances where websites were erected by Witches, where not only are they calling out to any other witch who might happen upon them, but anyone to perform a mass spell or ritual for whatever they think is a worthy endeavor.  I think they do so because they are seeking some kind of resolute, justice, or accomplishment that they feel is for the better good.  In other words, they are typically well meaning, with all good intentions.  But  yet, I can’t help thinking of the following aphorism and with good reason: “The road to Hell is paved with good intentions”  Therefore, I am an opponent of this idea, even if its about something I full heartedly agree with, which I intend to explain in-depth.  In fact, I find so many problems with this idea, that I am not sure I can even touch bases on all of them, but hopefully the most important problems with it, point by point.

1.  It begs to involve many people who have either very little, nor no experience in witchcraft at all to try it.  The funny thing is, many witches that will present these mass ritual ideas are usually the first, when approached by a new comer, to warn them about pacing themselves, not rushing into anything, don’t jump into spell work until they understand how energy works, don’t dabble or things can get dangerous, and so forth.  But yet, it doesn’t seem to occur to these same witches that they are actually encouraging every thing that they warn about!   They have no clue about the experience or proficiency of everyone wanting to do their ritual, and worse, they don’t even seem to care about that; as long as they can incite people by the masses to do it, that’s all that seems to matter to them.  Obviously, this invites quite a few mishaps, and all the things that can go wrong which caused them to utter their warnings to those with little or no experience in the first place.  Now consider a million people read the ritual and tried it, but 500,000 of them did not know what they were doing, or did something very screwy and unintended; the lucky ones will wind up with just nothing working, but many, not so lucky, and the effects this would have on the spell/ritual as a whole can not be a good thing.

2.  It’s bound to cause quite a bit of unwanted attention.  By this I mean, for every one witch that thinks something is worthy, there’s another witch out there who disagrees, and this will attract their attention to do some of their own counteractive work.  Not only that, but not everyone out there is nice, and some might want to just counter act it, just for the sake of being nasty.  These mass spell ideas are put out for all eyes to see, and the funny thing about them, is they tend to give blow by blow details about how the whole ritual is suppose to work, what to utter, ingredients, etc.  Now you get enough witches to fill an army base out there that do not like the plan, and disagree with the endeavor, who also know the workings of it, it’s not at all hard to for them to swiftly unravel the entire thread of it. In all likely hood too, these are going to be very experienced strong witches, unlike the big horde of inexperienced people jumping into the mix trying to get the spell to work.  I’d even say, with all the details these mass rituals give, just one very proficient witch would even be enough to do the spell in before it even had any time to work.

3.  They are often sloppy and poorly written.  In just about every single case of this that I have seen, the actual spell seems to involve a part where those performing it are suppose to utter some very poorly written word verbatim.  It’s painfully clear that the author did not think about choosing words wisely.  The final result (from what I have seen) is typically very vague, rambling word salads, and/or contradictions.  In my experience, magical energy takes the path of least resistance, and these poems, ritual words, mantras or whatever you want to call them that are within the spell tend to render multiple interpretations, or the confusing  contradiction may render the energy to go which ever way is least resistant, even if it was opposite of what the witch really wanted.

4.  They often involve petitioning deities or spirits of some kind.  Most witches are wise enough to realize that deities or spirits are not bell hops waiting around to appease every one’s request. In fact, most witches I know emphasize the importance of developing connections and relationships with any spirits or deities one intends to work with.  Yet again, when it comes to something like this, that logic is suddenly lost, since these rituals are being handed out to every Tom Dick and Harry.  So now, you quite possibly have scores of people who never dealt with these deities or any spirits before, are too new, or never been a witch, trying this out!  Picture the equivalence of getting a flood of phone calls from a whole slew of random strangers either demanding or asking you to do things for them?  Wow, what a way to piss off, or horribly annoy the very same deities, or spirits expected to be help in this. I’d say if there was ever a  hand book on how NOT to get the help of deities or spirits, encouraging a mass of strangers to bother them should be in it.  Not only that, but when involving deities or spirits in spell work, you now run the risk of involving beings that are not in agreement with your request.  If course if you think your plight is a wonderful one, or totally just, you can’t imagine how it could be possible that they might not agree; however your inability to understand how or why they might not agree, won’t force them to agree with you if they don’t.  Now should one or a few not agree with you…well…lets just say I’ve heard some pretty nasty stories from others who’ve experienced asking a deity or spirit to do something that said entity did not agree with.  Perhaps a seasoned witch can deal with such a thing, however, should a scantly experienced person have this happen to them, my opinion is the witches who knew better but encouraged this anyways are responsible for the misfortunes such a person might endure for inflaming the spirits.  So why even involve deities or spirits in the first place?

Well that’s pretty much what I think are the most important problems with this sort of thing.  However, I do not want to leave you with the idea that I am against group work, on the contrary I am not.  I myself have done spell work with others.  But the difference is, in one case you are working with a closer knit group of people where you are well aware of their proficiency as a witch, whereas the other scenario, you are risking one big nasty hot mess by inviting every one under the moon who reads and likes the idea into it, where you know nothing about them, while leaving your whole plan open to the problems and vulnerabilities I outlined above. When it’s a close knit group, on the other hand, the contents of the actual ritual are kept within their group only, they tend to do much better planning, and wording of whatever it is they might chant.  They all review their roles in the ritual, mull things over for possible loop holes and everything else that needs to be ironed out.  In the end, there is a far greater tendency for success in doing things this way instead.  Consider this, it has been stated that Gerald Gardner, the founder of Wicca had once done Cone of Power to keep the Nazi’s out of England.  What Gardner did NOT do, was go out into town, posting billboards about this planned event, inviting everyone that wanted to join in, into it.  He most certainly did not put postings in the news papers that gave a entire blue print of how this ritual was going to happen, for all eyes to see either.  Although times have changed, I firmly believe he STILL would not broadcast it every where. It is obvious, just by looking into actual traditional Wicca, that Gardner not only understood the wisdom and importance of keeping things within their own ranks, but this same view is held firmly within Traditional Wicca today.  This is why people not initiated into Traditional Wicca are not entitled to their book of shadows, their deities names, or other things considered oath bound.  It’s not snobbish, it’s smart and being responsible.  In the end, even though the Nazi’s planned to invade England, they did not.  Then again, the ritual to keep them out, was carefully guarded, planned, calculated and done among a group of witches who were precise and knew what they were doing.  So, while you may have an excellent reason for doing a ritual for a just cause, I think your best and potentially most successful way to go about it is to follow Gardner’s example.  If you can’t find a group, then even doing it on your own would be far better than creating a big recipe for disaster known as mass spell/ritual work.